While my views may be different from yours, and yours may be different from mine I wholeheartedly believe in the "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", so please remember, I'm open to a Theological/Moral debate here, but I won't tolerate you being closed minded/bigoted/judgemental. My life is complicated enough, I don't need an arguemnt over my views to complicate it further. Agree to disagree, and move along. Feel very strongly against something? Wait, at least for a few hours, before you post it then. Allow the anger, rage, or otherwise potentially hateful/spiteful or poorly worded comment to have time to become intelligent and welcoming of debate.
This may not be perfectly written. I intentionally didn't edit this because I wanted people to see it exactly as I thought it, rather than a perfectly edited and concise opinion. It's scattered, and broken and nowhere near perfect. Just as I am.
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No, I do not often read the Bible. It's not my thing, it's not my way. I find it to be archaic at best and wholly offensive at it's worst.
It is my understanding that Jesus basically taught us to forget about the Old Testament.
The teachings of Jesus, the Council of Jerusalem, and other New Testament teachings (John 1:16-17, Acts 13:39, Romans 2:25-29, 8:1-4, 1 Corinthians 9:19-21, Galatians 2:15-16, Ephesians 2:15) make it clear that Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, sacrifice, feast days, Sabbath observance, ritual cleanness, etc.
Matthew 5:38-42 (Words of Jesus in red)
38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; 40 and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; 41 and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. 42 Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you.Mark 12:28-31 (Words of Jesus in red)
28One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, "Which commandment is the first of all?" 29Jesus answered, "The first is, 'Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one; 30 you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' 31 The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
There is no other Commandment greater than these?
19Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, 20idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissensions, factions, 21envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these. I am warning you, as I warned you before: those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Again, no mention of Homosexuality. Bear in mind Jesus tells us we do not have to abide by the rules of the Old Testament, except for the things Moses says and the Ten Commandments (if I am reading these things correctly). This REMOVES the gay/lesbian/homosexual references from the Bible (if I am not too badly mistaken). Jesus never once says that it's unclean, an abomination, abbhorent, unacceptable. So where, dear Christian family and friends, are you pulling this information from? Below I have added more links that lack Jesus stating homosexual relationships (etc) are wrong.... So please, if you have one that says it, tell me. I want to see it.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. (NAS, John 3:16-17)
"That WHOEVER believes in Him should not perish...."
It is, from what I can tell, spoken against in the Old Testament but is also my understanding that the Old Testament is no longer followed.
Allow me to say this. Regardless of what the Bible says, what you believe is "right and wrong", it is made very clear that we ARE NOT to Judge one another, as God is our final and only Judge.
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven" Luke 6:37
Let God be the Judge of things, not you. Even if you believe that it is wrong in the eyes of the Lord. It is not your place to Judge, and to Judge another is spoken against in the Bible in many places.The Bible speaks out against so many things that are now considered acceptable. The times have changed, and many people have taken or left things from the Bible as it suits their lifestyle. Perhaps, it is time to reconsider. Marriage is not, in it's modern form, a concept drawn from the Bible. The desire to not allow Gays/Lesbians to marry is brought about, most likely, from the belief that marriage is a man and a woman that is brought about from the Bible. There is a seperation of Church and State, or at least there is suppose to be. All men are created equal, or at least they are suppose to be. At one time we didn't allow blacks and whites to be in the same area, use the same bathroom or even drink from the same fountain. A mixed color couple was immoral in the eyes of many. We no longer feel that way. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong. I'm saying that it IS NOT MY PLACE to judge ANYONE. Nor is it yours, and being a good Christian, you should already know that. So, disallowing it... is passing Judgement. You do not feel it is right, so they should not be allowed to marry or have the same rights as a couple composed of the opposite sex. Which do you think is the more Christian, Holy, and devout way to think?
It's wrong, so I don't want to allow it?
I do not agree with it, but I should not judge?
Please, stop passing Judgement.
And to those of you who think it's a choice.... Do you think they choose to be hated, bigoted, disdained, judged, cast out, ostracized, bashed, etc? Sure, it may be a choice for some people, but it may not be for others.
We don't stone our children for being disobedient. We don't kill people for their transgressions.
I feel like Christians use the Bible to support the things they don't agree with, but fail to use it with the things they actually do that is spoken against in the Bible. Women shouldn't speak in church, cover their hair when worshipping, should never speak out against their husbands, should be perfectly obedient. Why do we alter our behavior for some things that suit us, and not for the things that do not suit us?
The Bible lacks clarity over women being allowed to serve as ministers as well.
That I should not wear jewelry, or braid or adorn my hair
That I should not wear clothing that is blended of wool and linen, nor should I wear pearls, that I should wear a veil when I worship